# LTE - An alternative to LPT for people who don't care about "pitch"

**URL:** <https://discourse.flucoma.org/t/lte-an-alternative-to-lpt-for-people-who-dont-care-about-pitch/605>\
**Category:** Pre-Release Toolbox2 New Ideas\
**Created:** [July 22, 2020, 3:05pm UTC](https://discourse.flucoma.org/t/lte-an-alternative-to-lpt-for-people-who-dont-care-about-pitch/605 "2020-07-22T15:05:24Z")\
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**Author:** ![tremblap](https://discourse.flucoma.org/user_avatar/discourse.flucoma.org/tremblap/32/5_2.png) [@tremblap](https://discourse.flucoma.org/u/tremblap)\
**Post date:** [March 8, 2021, 9:38am UTC](https://discourse.flucoma.org/t/lte-an-alternative-to-lpt-for-people-who-dont-care-about-pitch/605/16 "2021-03-08T09:38:24Z")

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> [@weefuzzy](#):
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> I think there was a reason @tremblap had a lot of independent normalizations applied separately to features in that example (perhaps to make recombining them afterwards easier?).

The idea was to keep a sort of perceptually equivalent scale, so 1dB is 1semitone of pitch is 1 semitone of centroid. Simple to understand the relations in a musician space, but timbre is super limited there… trying to shrink an MFCC space to 1D of 100points (the range in dB and semitone of useful loud and pitch) is still on the table, via kmeans first. This will happen when I get the headspace which is soon I hope

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