# LTE - An alternative to LPT for people who don't care about "pitch"

**URL:** https://discourse.flucoma.org/t/lte-an-alternative-to-lpt-for-people-who-dont-care-about-pitch/605
**Category:** Pre-Release Toolbox2 New Ideas
**Created:** [July 22, 2020, 3:05pm UTC](https://discourse.flucoma.org/t/lte-an-alternative-to-lpt-for-people-who-dont-care-about-pitch/605 "2020-07-22T15:05:24Z")
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### Author: ![rodrigo.constanzo](https://discourse.flucoma.org/user_avatar/discourse.flucoma.org/rodrigo.constanzo/32/12_2.png) [@rodrigo.constanzo](https://discourse.flucoma.org/u/rodrigo.constanzo)
#### Post date: [July 22, 2020, 4:13pm UTC](https://discourse.flucoma.org/t/lte-an-alternative-to-lpt-for-people-who-dont-care-about-pitch/605/6 "2020-07-22T16:13:09Z")

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> [@rodrigo.constanzo](#):
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> …what may be a good way to have perceptually meaning descriptors which have equal (conceptual and perceptual) _ **weight** _ in the overall scheme of things

I forgot to mention this in the original post, but there’s also a big distinction (for me) between online and offline versions of what this means. More specifically, “real-time” (JIT) vs pre-analyzed.

For real-time stuff, a lot of things aren’t available as analysis vectors at all (overall duration, meta-data/tags, etc…) and some things I don’t have a great idea of given the tiny analysis window (pitch, morphology). The latter might be mitigated some by the predictive thing, but that’s (literally) [a separate discussion](https://discourse.flucoma.org/t/regression-classification-regressification/547/37).

But there are some very useful things that can be present in a pre-analyzed file. All sorts of meta-data like names/labels/tags (which @tutschku makes good use of for his searching/querying) as well as some broader metadata like duration, amount of onsets, or “[timeness](https://discourse.flucoma.org/t/dimensionality-reduction-mixing-the-rational-and-irrational/534/9)”.

So all of that is to say is that having the perspective and context (,and time) there are more relevant (both conceptually and perceptually) dimensions for pre-analyzed files than what can be computed in realtime.

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