Can't dynamically name a fluid.dataset~

[rodrigo.constanzo]

Not sure if this is an intentional restriction, but the name attribute to fluid.dataset~ doesn’t allow you to change it. This happens either with the attrui or with name $1.

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The use case here is instantiating a random/unique fluid.dataset~ inside an abstraction, (as detailed in this thread).

I can give it a name on instantiation (e.g. fluid.dataset~ #0), but I want to give it a nicer random name, or may want to programmatically name several ones.

Alternately I can just fluid.dataset~ generate its own random name (as it does if you instantiate one without a declared name), there’s then no way of querying what that random name is…

[weefuzzy]

@rodrigo.constanzo

Not sure if this is an intentional restriction, but the name attribute to fluid.dataset~ doesn’t allow you to change it. This happens either with the attrui or with name $1.

Yes, it’s intentional. You can change which dataset a box points to with refer <name>

there’s then no way of querying what that random name is…

getname returns the name…

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[rodrigo.constanzo]

@weefuzzy

Yes, it’s intentional. You can change which dataset a box points to with refer <name>

That doesn’t work if that other dataset doesn’t already exist. But I can’t give the other dataset a name for the same reason. So if I want to create a new dataset but don’t have a name for it, its the same problem.

@weefuzzy

getname returns the name…

Handy!
That doesn’t show up in the “right-click input” thing, the helpfile, or the reference page though.

[weefuzzy]

@rodrigo.constanzo

That doesn’t work if that other dataset doesn’t already exist. But I can’t give the other dataset a name for the same reason. So if I want to create a new dataset but don’t have a name for it, its the same problem.

So you want to dynamically create datasets?

@rodrigo.constanzo

That doesn’t show up in the “right-click input” thing, the helpfile, or the reference page though.

It’s magic that Max adds for attributes if you have a dump outlet

[rodrigo.constanzo]

@weefuzzy

So you want to dynamically create datasets?

Well, I will manually create the dataset by creating an object called fluid.dataset~. I want to dynamically name it. So like, a patch may have a few of these “unnamed” fluid.dataset~s which I’ll (programmatically) name unique identifiers + strings.

@weefuzzy

It’s magic that Max adds for attributes if you have a dump outlet

Nice. Is that like common knowledge? Never in a million years would I have started typing arbitrary requests to an object that doesn’t say what it’s list of messages are.

[weefuzzy]

@rodrigo.constanzo

Well, I will manually create the dataset by creating an object called fluid.dataset~. I want to dynamically name it. So like, a patch may have a few of these “unnamed” fluid.dataset~s which I’ll (programmatically) name unique identifiers + strings.

Ok. Not possible, I’m afraid, but what’s wrong with the unique names that come with putting no name in?

@rodrigo.constanzo

Nice. Is that like common knowledge? Never in a million years would I have started typing arbitrary requests to an object that doesn’t say what it’s list of messages are.

It’s certainly true for all the jitter objects, not sure what of the newer Max object use dump outlets. Will make sure we add to docs somewhere, because evidently not common enough knowledge. It applies to any attribute on one of our objects that has a dump outlet at the right

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[rodrigo.constanzo]

@weefuzzy

Ok. Not possible, I’m afraid, but what’s wrong with the unique names that come with putting no name in?

That works perfectly fine actually. Just didn’t know about getname when making this thread.

I don’t do a lot of jitter stuff really, so messages for dump-y objects weren’t a given for me.

[jamesbradbury]

Yes, to be fair to @rodrigo.constanzo I had the same epiphany at the hands of @weefuzzy at some point. It’s a convention that is quite useful, at least, you really are pleased when you know you need it and you are granted the wisdom to getstuff.