Making sense of fluid.ampslice~

Ok, giving this a bump since I’ve sat down and had a play with the latest version of fluid.ampslice~.

So it seems that I can get solid parity between the Max version and the fluid.ampslice~, but in mucking around with settings and thresholds and such, and I can’t get better performance (which probably makes sense given they are kind of “the same”).

It seems that one thing that’s holding it back is going from nothing to fast onsets, which produces a kind of lag while the envelope follower comes up from the floor (negative infinity?).

I’ve cleaned up and updated the example patch, and highlighted with what I mean in one section (number 4 in the patch). If you quickly retrigger that example, it “works”, but if you playback [p pressSnare] only once, it catches the first transient, then a gap of silence while the envelope follower(s) catch up, then it works fine. The example next to it [p rampSnare] catches all the fast attacks since the envelope follower is already boosted a bit.

I got slightly better results by introducing some noise, but not significant enough to warrant actually using it.

What I’m starting to think now though, is that there are limits to this topology, and that this is more-or-less it. At least for this object on its own. I’ve not yet played with fluid.ampgate~ to see if that can help for these kind of fast attacks.

I think part of the limitation here, based on just intuition, and just in playing around with the numbers, is the fixed thresholds. For example, in looking at a screenshot from that Sensory Percussion video linked in the original post, you can see all the onsets it catches even though the envelope isn’t contained in a reasonable space. (it could also be this UI is just a normal envelope follower with the peaks coming from a differential, but it doesn’t look like it)


Obviously they are going into the frequency domain based on the patent documents and other discussions in this and other threads, but I think the peak finding should be able to do the same in the time domain, which is what leads me to think there’s a topology difference going on here (outside of some magical settings I’ve yet to find).

Here’s the patch as it stands:


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And this is a useful bit of “real” snare audio to test it with as well:
http://rodrigoconstanzo.com/bucket/snare%20rolls.wav